Comments on: Should Husbands Beat Their Wives? http://scottwkay.wordpress.com/2007/11/02/should-muslims-beat-their-wives/ Sat, 17 May 2008 14:38:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU By: Scott W. Kay http://scottwkay.wordpress.com/2007/11/02/should-muslims-beat-their-wives/#comment-2371 Scott W. Kay Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:30:37 +0000 http://scottwkay.wordpress.com/2007/11/02/should-muslims-beat-their-wives/#comment-2371 Bill, I think we agree that men and women are equal in essence (nature), both are equally made in the image of God, both equally have access to the promises of the Gospel, etc, but that there is a difference in roles and responsibilities before God and mankind. This is exactly reflective of the essential equality but different roles of the three members of the Trinity. It seems that our differences really only amount to the way we talk about it. You say that there is inequality at least in the function and roles,. (i.e. when you say, "Those scriptures teach inequality at least in those areas of life."), which I don't have a problem with, I only prefer to refrain from talking that way because I think it lends itself to the notion that there is an essential inequality of nature, when there isn't. And yes, I do think that the husband will be held to a higher degree of accountability before God precisely because he does have the greater (therefore unequal) responsibility. Thanks for your comments. Bill,

I think we agree that men and women are equal in essence (nature), both are equally made in the image of God, both equally have access to the promises of the Gospel, etc, but that there is a difference in roles and responsibilities before God and mankind. This is exactly reflective of the essential equality but different roles of the three members of the Trinity.

It seems that our differences really only amount to the way we talk about it. You say that there is inequality at least in the function and roles,. (i.e. when you say, “Those scriptures teach inequality at least in those areas of life.”), which I don’t have a problem with, I only prefer to refrain from talking that way because I think it lends itself to the notion that there is an essential inequality of nature, when there isn’t.

And yes, I do think that the husband will be held to a higher degree of accountability before God precisely because he does have the greater (therefore unequal) responsibility.

Thanks for your comments.

]]> By: Bill Handrahan http://scottwkay.wordpress.com/2007/11/02/should-muslims-beat-their-wives/#comment-2370 Bill Handrahan Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:56:09 +0000 http://scottwkay.wordpress.com/2007/11/02/should-muslims-beat-their-wives/#comment-2370 Hello Scott, I can't speak for Aaron but I am a believing Christian and I would like to know what your thoughts are on the various scriptures he listed. Unless Aaron misrepresented those verses he has a valid point. It seems to me that so many times current social norms dictate what new testament scripture "Really" means. This is nonsense! Men change, GOD does not. So why do you believe that these scriptures are not to be taken literally? A wife still can be loved and respected by her husband even if she is not allowed to be in a position to teach men, or asked to cover her hair during prayers, or refrain from asking questions of others while in church, or even calling her husband master . Those scriptures teach inequality at least in those areas of life. What is the big deal? Do you think the bible teaches that the husband will be held accountable to a higher degree than his wife for what goes on in his home? As a husband I have to say thats a lot of pressure and certainly "unequal" in terms of accountabilty. ............ Face it GOD made this a 51/49 partnership with the man having the final say in virtually all matters. The downside is that he alone will answer to GOD for those decisions. With power comes responsibilities. Hello Scott,
I can’t speak for Aaron but I am a believing Christian and I would like to know what your thoughts are on the various scriptures he listed. Unless Aaron misrepresented those verses he has a valid point. It seems to me that so many times current social norms dictate what new testament scripture “Really” means. This is nonsense! Men change, GOD does not. So why do you believe that these scriptures are not to be taken literally? A wife still can be loved and respected by her husband even if she is not allowed to be in a position to teach men, or asked to cover her hair during prayers, or refrain from asking questions of others while in church, or even calling her husband master . Those scriptures teach inequality at least in those areas of life. What is the big deal? Do you think the bible teaches that the husband will be held accountable to a higher degree than his wife for what goes on in his home? As a husband I have to say thats a lot of pressure and certainly “unequal” in terms of accountabilty. ………… Face it GOD made this a 51/49 partnership with the man having the final say in virtually all matters. The downside is that he alone will answer to GOD for those decisions. With power comes responsibilities.

]]> By: Scott W. Kay http://scottwkay.wordpress.com/2007/11/02/should-muslims-beat-their-wives/#comment-1535 Scott W. Kay Tue, 06 Nov 2007 03:57:05 +0000 http://scottwkay.wordpress.com/2007/11/02/should-muslims-beat-their-wives/#comment-1535 Good God? Do you say that through a religious prism or a non-religious prism? Exactly to whom are you referring? Is it too religious to ask if you think its OK for Muslim men to beat their wives? What prism do you filter your answer to that question through? Surely you must have an answer to that question. Good God? Do you say that through a religious prism or a non-religious prism? Exactly to whom are you referring?

Is it too religious to ask if you think its OK for Muslim men to beat their wives? What prism do you filter your answer to that question through? Surely you must have an answer to that question.

]]> By: SLCondensed http://scottwkay.wordpress.com/2007/11/02/should-muslims-beat-their-wives/#comment-1533 SLCondensed Tue, 06 Nov 2007 02:03:42 +0000 http://scottwkay.wordpress.com/2007/11/02/should-muslims-beat-their-wives/#comment-1533 Good God you people are dense. My comment about filtering every aspect of your lives through a religious prism really rings true with all the comments posted Good God you people are dense. My comment about filtering every aspect of your lives through a religious prism really rings true with all the comments posted

]]> By: savedbygrace2000 http://scottwkay.wordpress.com/2007/11/02/should-muslims-beat-their-wives/#comment-1510 savedbygrace2000 Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:02:23 +0000 http://scottwkay.wordpress.com/2007/11/02/should-muslims-beat-their-wives/#comment-1510 It never fails, I don't care what you talk about any topic but the second you mention the name of Jesus, people want to find fault in him, and try to rip the christian apart. with all the different beliefs out there, yet they all want to rip at the Name of Jesus, hmmm...I wonder why? It never fails, I don’t care what you talk about any topic but the second you mention the name of Jesus, people want to find fault in him, and try to rip the christian apart. with all the different beliefs out there, yet they all want to rip at the Name of Jesus, hmmm…I wonder why?

]]> By: jonolan http://scottwkay.wordpress.com/2007/11/02/should-muslims-beat-their-wives/#comment-1496 jonolan Sat, 03 Nov 2007 23:40:38 +0000 http://scottwkay.wordpress.com/2007/11/02/should-muslims-beat-their-wives/#comment-1496 Scott, Only if you're an ethically bankrupt modern US "Liberal." Scott,

Only if you’re an ethically bankrupt modern US “Liberal.”

]]> By: Scott W. Kay http://scottwkay.wordpress.com/2007/11/02/should-muslims-beat-their-wives/#comment-1495 Scott W. Kay Sat, 03 Nov 2007 23:30:42 +0000 http://scottwkay.wordpress.com/2007/11/02/should-muslims-beat-their-wives/#comment-1495 Oh, and if "Moral truths are all relative," then is it OK for Muslim men to beat their wives? Oh, and if “Moral truths are all relative,” then is it OK for Muslim men to beat their wives?

]]> By: Scott W. Kay http://scottwkay.wordpress.com/2007/11/02/should-muslims-beat-their-wives/#comment-1494 Scott W. Kay Sat, 03 Nov 2007 23:10:23 +0000 http://scottwkay.wordpress.com/2007/11/02/should-muslims-beat-their-wives/#comment-1494 SLC, I got it that you were ripping religion in general. That fact was not lost on me. I was simply responding to the assumptions you made about me and the reasons I believe in the teachings of Christianity. You are the one making assumptions about me. Furthermore, it's amazing how you are offended that you thought I was suggesting that you were ignorant when I wasn't intending that at all, and yet you appear to have felt no restraint in overtly calling me stupid and ignorant. Thanks. I guess that's what moral relativism will do for people. Too bad people can't even live by their own expectations of how people are to treat one other. SLC, I got it that you were ripping religion in general. That fact was not lost on me. I was simply responding to the assumptions you made about me and the reasons I believe in the teachings of Christianity. You are the one making assumptions about me.

Furthermore, it’s amazing how you are offended that you thought I was suggesting that you were ignorant when I wasn’t intending that at all, and yet you appear to have felt no restraint in overtly calling me stupid and ignorant. Thanks. I guess that’s what moral relativism will do for people. Too bad people can’t even live by their own expectations of how people are to treat one other.

]]> By: SLCondensed http://scottwkay.wordpress.com/2007/11/02/should-muslims-beat-their-wives/#comment-1493 SLCondensed Sat, 03 Nov 2007 22:53:07 +0000 http://scottwkay.wordpress.com/2007/11/02/should-muslims-beat-their-wives/#comment-1493 by the way the above is still me, just changed my displayed username by the way the above is still me, just changed my displayed username

]]> By: SLCondensed http://scottwkay.wordpress.com/2007/11/02/should-muslims-beat-their-wives/#comment-1492 SLCondensed Sat, 03 Nov 2007 22:52:41 +0000 http://scottwkay.wordpress.com/2007/11/02/should-muslims-beat-their-wives/#comment-1492 Scott, your stupidity is only eclipsed by your ignorance. I'm not 'ripping' Christianity at Islam's expense. I'm ripping religion in general. I've read your bible, I know what it says, and I have decided for myself not to believe. You, however, believe the bible is true because in the bible God says the bible is true. Don't try to convert me, and don't suggest I'm ignorant because I'm not a practicing Christian. Moral truths are all relative, and I don't think you or your institution needs to set rules on how I live. Scott, your stupidity is only eclipsed by your ignorance. I’m not ‘ripping’ Christianity at Islam’s expense. I’m ripping religion in general.

I’ve read your bible, I know what it says, and I have decided for myself not to believe. You, however, believe the bible is true because in the bible God says the bible is true.

Don’t try to convert me, and don’t suggest I’m ignorant because I’m not a practicing Christian. Moral truths are all relative, and I don’t think you or your institution needs to set rules on how I live.

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